Previous posts would be from projects being worked on or already completed. Excuse the interruptions to your conversations. In the mean time, I belive I'll go back to reading Shadow of the Hedgemon. Finding I cant put the book down easily.

-- The Letter D

"You know, if he trips an alarm, Im not sure we have enough firepower to covor the four of us." Remarked the detective, gone by the name of ZiggyT.

The four in question stood outside the building of the Knight Errant, the military police, usually hired out by the megacorperations that could afford them. The thick walled building was low slung to the ground and fortified by all the latest technology and camped out men on patroll.

Fahee muttered from his crouched position before the lock on the door. The smaller elven man, in comparison to the rest, was no theif, but he had quite the lock picking skill. A cable funning from the datajack in his skull to the interface of the lock, his fingers flicking over a keyboard attached to another interface in his cranium. "I wont mess up, dont get your knickers in a bunch."

"You were a madman for accepting this mission, Fahee. Then again, so am I to have agreed coming here." Slurred out the large troll in mages robes, glancing around nervously, towering above his mates. Knight Errant invasions were fairly ludicrus and he was just hoping they'd get paid decently for risking their lives.

"Noooo, npo worries bossman! We're peachy keen! I got everythin' I need on me, yo!" The female of the group bouinced up and down, kwon only as 'BC' on the streets filled with mercenaries that did dirty work for the corperations. They were Shadowrunners, these four. "Not to worry! Besides, even if he does trip up, I got it covored. I'mma Professional Decoy, remember?" BC grinned broadly, elven ears twitching as she flicked open her coat, revealing five handguns and a nice selection of explosives.

"You scare me." Ziggy remarked pointedly to BC.

Followed by Fahee cursing and a klaxon going off over the compound.

"Woops." Is a word you never want to hear from your Decker.

-- The Letter D

"We defy everything known to man, you see," He said, his elbows on his knees, pread as his hands clutched his hair. He was trying to explain something to Conner, over and over again as the man never seemed to understand. "Everything your taught is diffrent from what I and my kin were given. We've got diffrent tools of creation. You disbeleiveout ecxistance as you see it impossible. But take into account how long people thought the world was Flat, and compare it to what your race knows now."

Conner shook his head slightly his arms crossed. "That example has been used by too many people to prove too many points. Try something else, Ardenn. For that matter, try keeping to the subject, eh?"

The younger looking man of the two looked vexed, uncomfortable. His hands left his hair and he rubbed his face, pulling off his glases. Birdlike eyesof silver and blue revealed, he sighed. "Alright, arlight, fine. We have.. OTher sesnes of the space around us. We more through space the way Fish move through water. We dont need prupultion systems, we dont need pockets of air, gravity or even to know what 'Down' is. We.. We FEEL space, Conner. Like the third person veiw in your videogames, but we feel the motions on our skin. Can identify with flesh and soul, what is where, how to push our ships and bodies through these feelings and manuver."

Conner just shook his head. This whimsical creature had been living in his house for several days, and they'd had history with eachother before that, but this was a diffrent side he'd never seen before.

Ardenn was sounding frantic, fearful, petrified. Not that he was spilling information, but describing the sansations themselves frightened him.

Ardenn Ner'aia was Hyperphobic of space, and the best soldeir they had for spatial combat and strike teams.

He had three days to get over a fifteen year old phobia.

-- The Letter D

Most of my favorite works of science fiction use generalized formulas to go both deep into siritual or religios evolutions or possibilities, as well as scientific speculation.

One good example would be the "Jedi" in "Star Wars" books and movies, the "Fremen" and "Ben Gezarit" (Not sure of the spelling of those, my short term memory is lacking) in "Dune", or even the relation between science, computer, philosophers and "God" in "HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy".

In various episodes of "Star Trek" (original and varied spin-off series), such aspects could be seen in the relation of Romulans and Vulcans, both believed to originate the same, but through centuries of evolution, they each have their own base religion, with one focussed more on war and politics, the other with science, logic and traditions. Klingons, also have strong and ancient traditions (much like Viking Asatru), where their religion's "prophets" were great warriors and generals.

In Star Trek (TNG), Humans encountered a being refered to as "Q". Q was rather interesting in showing a sort of human-psychological aspect of an omnipotent entity. Chaotic, arogant, egotistical and generaly annoying, yet, had the power/abilities of "a" supremem being among others with similarly human-like mindsets and personalities.

The religious persons of ST (DS9), seemed to worship prophecy and timelines (events rather than entities), in addition to unexplainable sentient entities that reside within the wormhole.

On Arakis (DUNE), things are a bit different. The Fremen believe in prophecies and prophets, but make no mention of any theurgic being. Their religion and life focusses around the the spice and the worms ("The worms are the spice and the spice is the worms").

Authors who take such details not only to consideration, but to write around tham as a major part of the stories, bring more life to every character involved, providing depth beyong simple action and science, lending more believability to the overall story.

Before thinking of how radical some of the religions may sound, consider for a moment that these stories tend to take place hundreds, thousands or even more years in the future, and here on Earth, our most widespread religions are still undergoing interpretations with religions younger than 2000-5000 years old and denominations as young as 10-30 years in age.

Consider also that a recognized world religion (perhaps so for it's financial leverage), had it's original doctrin composed by a well known science-fiction author, during his pre-mortem senility.

Chaos Zen

I prefere Chalker myself. To read them you better have a have a good sense of self worth!!
I've read about 4 Moorcocks - what do you think is his best work and why?


3) Maintaining a precarious balance between frantic hope and jaded skepticism, I shakily stood to examine the hole. When I peeped through it, I could see only a greyish-purple brighness with no interruption. I assumed it could have been a sky that I was looking at, but I was wary enough to avoid making assumptions.
Suddenly, another small square fell to the ground, and then another. The 'ceiling' of the cube was slowly disentregating. I tried carefully not to get too exicted by this fact. Curiously, some pieces remained suspended in the plane of the ceiling even though all of the ones around them had fallen, so these appeared to be floating (as the tiles were falling in an apparently random fashion). I watched, nearly sick with excitement, as the last tile fell, but was not prepared for what happened next. The walls of the cube fell to the ground with a loud and shocking clang. I stroked the egg for reassurance.

-Cosmo Bimbo, Almighty Lord of Onomatopoeia

2)This ceased to amuse me after a while, though, so I returned my attention to how I was to breach this box. I examined all of the corners, hoping that the cube was fused together somehow and might show a weakness here. It seemed to be flawless, however. I took to pounding on every surface like a madman, until I collapsed with exhaustion.
Frustrated and weary, I screamed with what little energy I had left, cursing the foul person that did such a terrible thing to me (assuming it had been a person). This turned to weeping, eventually leaving me as a rather pathetic lump of teary human flesh cradling a small egg.
Suddenly, I was hit by a small perfect square of metal, about one centimetre long and wide. I grabbed it and threw it at a wall in anger, producing a flimsy little ringing noise.
I took me a few seconds to wonder about where the square could have come from. I looked up (being the opposite direction of that which I was drawn towards), and saw some sort of light pouring through a hole of the proper size.

Cosmo Bimbo, Almighty Lord of Onomatopoeia

I woke up (not knowing that I had even been sleeping) and found myself in a small space. On further inspection, it turned out to have corners and six regular sides, in effect, a cube.
There are three things that a man can do when he wakes up to find himself inside a cube: stay in it, find a way out, or mastrubate. I opted for the 'out' option. This didn't seem to be an easy task. After a little bit of experimentation, I found out that the walls were quite solid and sturdy. Frustrated, I tried to make myself comfortable so that I could try to think of a way to get out, but found myself being prodded in my posterior by something. I dug around to see what was causing this discomfort, and found an egg. It was very hard and had a density like marble, and a small tag attached to it that said, "Please return to the Quaternion". I found the egg very pleasant to handle and rolled it around in my palms for a while.

-more later
Cosmo Bimbo, Almighty Lord of Onomatopoeia

There was a segment in the "Creepshow" movie, in which a boy orders a menacing, man-eating plant from a comic book ad.


Don't worry, it was a complement. :)

I'm not sure if it was TFTC or maybe it was another show, like the Outer Limits, or Erie Indiana. I watched those shows a lot when I was younger, but I get them all confused now.

Did they use that same premise?

Dunno if I was shot down or complimented.

ps-I was really into the old T.F.T.C. comics when they started reprinting them in the mid-80s.Wierd, hoorah-for-the-underdog/props to "The good people" moralism in a simple, snap-catch ending surrealistic little story.Loved the art too!

Wasn't that an episode of Tales from the Crypt or something?
I worked out this little story for ninth grade english.....I think.It's pretty stupid; in form and narrative and so on.....I mean it WAS ages ago.However, the premise is still passable.

A boy orders a dimensional portal to hell from one of those little adverts in the back of a comic book.He receives it...unpacks it, and assembles it (mounted to a closet wall), and begins to use it as described in the newsprint owners manual.

Anyone wanna work this one up?

Also....any hardcore Moorcock fans out there?

565 has been updated a little, some new stuff added, or else I just now found more stuff. Clicking on the bird on the main page now seems to bring up like an index.


It's true, that is how I found DanZen
I check almost every day, even have a link to the dens on one of my sites.


I check almost every day, even have a link to the dens on one of my sites.


Oh - Star Wars talk below.
I thought the city scapes were amazing.

The underwater city was so beautiful. I wanted Gorgolon to look like that. A forcefield to hold out water but let people through is kind of tricky though.


TO the comment several spaces below,
We are actually quit friendly to new comers here and I hope that you have not been dicouraged from posting again. It just takes time for answers to come. Not all of us have the time to check everynight for new posts.
I see Jon Katz feels much the same:
"It's about manipulating children in the name of greed and influence. It's about ego and cash. This round, we're not allowed to discover a great work; we're nearly beaten to death with it, and it's calculatedly cute, most profitable and commercial manifestations. " For the rest of what Katz said, read his column.
- Liz
I was chagrined with the massive onslaught of Star Wars propaganda and was subsequently stunned when my employer bought matinee tickets for opening day for the entire staff. While I enjoyed the original Star Wars movie (but enjoyed the sequels less and less until I hated the last one), this one didn't just leave me cold I actually fell asleep during the pod race.
- Liz
I posted the Anime pics, but I realy do not have much time to visit lately, I've been waiting three years for a relationship of destiny that has finaly come together, much catching up to do, Gotta go, need to be at her house at midnight!


Dont get discouraged if you don't get a response right away. Sometimes it takes a while for folks to visit. I think the second and third season of the X-Files were the best, it's devolved into self-referential navel gazing recently, though, and I no longer eagerly anticipate episodes or mind if I miss them.
- Liz
Okaay... people don't seem to be very friendly here to newcomers..
Is anyone here into the X-Files, or aliens? I think I saw somebody say anime. That's cool too...
I've never read August Derlath, but was astounded to find a HUGE number of SF titles in an even bigger list of what he's written on The August Derlath Society Web page. I mean, how does one person find the time to write so many books? This must be Asimov's closest competitor in the category of prolific...
- Liz

Yeah, I know what you mean about those Anime girls! But have you been enjoying the evolution of Anime Fems as much as I?

Back then...

Now it's...

Liz....what do you think of August Derleth?
AWWW YEAHH! STARBLAZERS!!! i remember that was my fave!-right up there with "Battle of the Planets"...i remember one episope when they went through some wicked energy thing and the ship started to "break-up' and bits of their clothing started to shred off.....hmnnn anime girls were pretty cute you know.....
Battle of the Planets was good, but only when I went to live with my mother in another state, did I realize we were jipped! It seems that the creators of Battle of the Planets had a much better series entitled "Starblazers" which was the second option for brodcast. Grown ups who decided which would be shown in their area just didn't seem to have good taste in sci-fi cartoons!
Bought the Panther's "E.E. Doc Smith's Classic skylark series". Stupid writing spoiled the pictures on the covers. When I was a boy I had the bed-spreads. Reminded me of the original "Battle of the Planets" series.

I'm not sure.
The one I mentioned had written books "The Firedance Series" about a group of "people" of different alien races, traveling through space. She is a being made of firelike energy, she has a furry companion (mentor) who's name I forget, and a creature called a Fsareem which looks like a big caterpillar made of liquid murcury and feeds off of energy. The only exact title I recall was either "Dancer's Luck" or "Firedancer's Luck".

It was a very good series but seemed incomplete. I was wondering if there were others to follow after the story as far as I have read it. I believe here first name also started with an A.

I believe the story was originaly written in 60's or 70's, and the description of her "mentor" sounds nearly identicle to a Star Wars "Wookie", so it is very likely that a Sci-Fi author of that talent could have participated in Lucas's production.

No but did a woman Anderson do one of the Star Wars series - I'm too lazy to crawl the web.
Anybody read or heard of "The Firedancer" series?
I think it is by some woman who's last name (or psuedonym) is Anderson
Dickson is tactical/social science fiction with an unfortunate touch of fantasy usually through some animal figure. His Dorsai series is pretty - what do they call it - hard sci-fi or something like that. Try Dorsai or Tactics of Mistakes. The collection is from when I was young. I'd love to read more cyberpunck stuff.

Just the word Seldon sends shivers up my spine and I get this sort of longing to know what it will all be like when I think of Trantor.

Dune was great and some of the sequels got pretty surreal with God Emporer etc. I haven't tried Sterling yet. I have one called heavy weather but I'm not really interested in wheather themes. Timestorm by Dickson was pretty cool though where the earth - and the universe - cracks into time fissures.

Wow. I've been out of touch for a while and looks like this dialogue is growing!

>Stephen king totally "borrows" a lot of elements >of Lovecrafts stories

I agree. I've always found King derivative, although in the early days he had some interesting perspectives on pre-pubescent and teenaged angst. If I'm in the mood for horror, I'd rather read Lovecraft, even though his barrage of adjectives (!!!) and adverbs drives me nuts. Alternatively Poe, or Guy de Maupassant if you want a touch of politics in your horror.

>Just organized my sci-fi's

Let's not get into a numbers game (sorry, you'd lose: some folks in here have collections that exceeded 2,000 books several years ago). Dicksons, Asimov, Herbert, Moorcock, Gibson ... hmmn... let me guess, with the exception of Gibson, (and perhaps Dicksons, although I only know of him, since I haven't read him - he's fantasy, isn't he?) you primarily favor "classic" hard core SF from the late '50s and early '60s, yes? Which are your favorites by those authors? Of Herbert, Dune was my favorite (although I don't think it warranted the number of sequels it spawned), followed by Helstrom's Hive. I think Asimov's trilogy was his crowning creative achievement, although his robot series was not only seminal to modern robotic concepts but fun. Because it's the dream upon which early cyberculture was based, I'd have to say Neuromancer is my favorite Gibson, although the Difference Engine collaboration with Bruce Sterling struck a strong personal chord because of the Texan in Paris theme. I especially liked how Gibson used the names of Voodoun gods to hint at the "roots" of cyberculture hierarchy. In the classics list, the below-mentioned Stranger in a Strange Land will always be what I remember Heinlein for, which is unfortunate, because I actually got more enjoyment out of his juvenile fiction. But Stranger became a calling card for the "mature" themes (I'm being a bit tongue in cheek, here) explored in his later work.

As for Doc Savage - he's an acquired taste. I've tried, and failed, to acquire it. But then, that's how I felt about beer the first time I tasted it and now I like beer just fine. Maybe it's the timing...(small grin)
- Liz

Read "THe Rolling Stones." I love it. It's by Robert A. Hienline.
Sailor on the Sea of Fate!
Stranger ia a Strange Land
I found out - it was "pre-empted" by that religious guy.
Anybody know why Total Recall was not on Tuesday?
Just organized my sci-fi's 33 Gordon Dicksons, 24 Asimovs, 14 Herberts, 11 Moorcocks, 5 Gibsons and a whole bunch of other authors with 4. How about that. What about you guys?
Anybody catch the Total Recall pilot movie? I missed it I'm so pissed off and nobody I know had it taped. I did see the first episode and it seemed just fine. Still getting their feet wet but it looks like they'll try some new technology...
HEY!--VERY neat link(thanks!)usefull to all!
Doc Savage books totally blew my mind as a child-my father had them when he was a kid and passed them on. Besides Lovecraft, another mind-blower is
August Derleth!
Oops, I only read one Lovecraft too. I guess that must have been it.

I checked out the 86th Floor. The characters look interesting. I think I've always shied away from him because his name and his army-like appearance.

"The Shadow over Innsmouth" is H.P.Lovecraft-strange tho'because Stephen king totally "borrows"
a lot of elements of Lovecrafts stories, like his constantly re-occuring town names and damp New England settings. Lovecraft actually collaborrated
with harry Houdini, to write a story about being "Imprisoned with the Pharoahs"-and finding that the pyramids were built atop the ruins of something older,and sinister......and still there!

He's like some kind of 40s-50s pulp hero. All action-detective-doctor-proffessor-occultist-martial artist! He has golden skin and bronze eyes! He has cohorts with strange personality quirks, "Ham"a lawer/adventurer dandy with a sword cane who is constantly quarrelling with "monk' a brutish genius with a pet pig"Habeus Corpus" etc.etc.
He has a wicked bronze amazonian cousin "Patsy" too!
I s that Stephen King? I only read one King book (well, not all of it) and it bored me. But I think I recall an Innsmouth.

No to the Doc Savage - what's it about?

All I want to say is....
"The Shadow over Innsmouth!"-slop
Has anybody else read any original "DOC SAVAGE"??
by Kenneth Robeson??Did you like it??
Hi Jen, There are some good books listed in the archives of this den - have a read... I'm finally reading software/wetware... by Rudy Rucker. I started and then put them down because I was going in the wrong order. I'm starting to get into it.

I hear Mazda is coming out with a futuristic RX-01 or something like that possible with a rotary engine. When are cars going to hover?


i saw the merlin and i agree 100% with your summary - lavish but lacking substance - and plus that guy... the one who played merlin, just got on my nerves for some reason. i just finished reading neuromancer and i guess WOW is about all i have to say. and this book was written how long ago and it's just amazing - technology hasn't even caught up with it... hope you haven't discussed this before :) i would dig on some book suggestions - you know where to find me dan :)
Is there anywhere we can get their email addresses and invite them to the dens?

I liked the Difference Engine - it reminds me of Hawaii where I read it. What's your favourite lately? I can suggest some books for Christmas...


This Den contains a Nonstone. The Nonstone is not from this universe and odd things happen every once and a while like temporal shifts, etc.

We can talk about the future and suggest science fictions on certain themes. Reviews and recommendations of novels would be great. Feel free to weave your own stories into the discussions.